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发信人: kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹), 信区: DotNet
标  题: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Mon Oct 20 09:32:06 2003) WWW-POST

one of the problem when using .net program is the huge memory usage.I remember
that even a blank windows form application,it eats up around 7M memory.

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courage to change the things which should be changed and the wisdom to disti
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发信人: LodossWar (sleepycat), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Mon Oct 20 15:43:32 2003) WWW-POST

All the systems using garbage collection have the same problem. Java is even
worse.

7M memory is not a big deal for .Net installed machine. Because .Net requires
windows 2k, xp or 2003, which require more than 128 or 256M memory to run.

The points should be:
1. Does it start fast?
   From my expeirence, it is at least faster than Java program. The start
speed of GUI program is in acceptable timing peoriod. Of course this is the
difference between two JIT system implementations makes .Net program starts
faster than Java program.

2. How much memory does it consume for complex systems.
   SharpDevelop is a complex IDE. But it costs less memory than Eclipse and
JBuilder. The memroy cost of .Net program grows more slowly than Java program.

3. How to handle intensive memory-comsuming applicaiton.
   In this place, C# is way better than Java. The embedded unmanged code gives
you the C++ memory management power.


No free lunch. right? :)
From my experience, the C# strategy works well so far. At least it persuades
me.

【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: one of the problem when using .net program is the huge memory usage.I
remember
: that even a blank windows form application,it eats up around 7M memory.
:


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发信人: kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Mon Oct 20 23:54:16 2003) WWW-POST

【 在 LodossWar (sleepycat) 的大作中提到: 】
: All the systems using garbage collection have the same problem. Java is even
: worse.
:
: 7M memory is not a big deal for .Net installed machine. Because .Net
requires
: windows 2k, xp or 2003, which require more than 128 or 256M memory to run.
:
: The points should be:
: 1. Does it start fast?
:    From my expeirence, it is at least faster than Java program. The start
: speed of GUI program is in acceptable timing peoriod. Of course this is the
: difference between two JIT system implementations makes .Net program starts
: faster than Java program.
:
: 2. How much memory does it consume for complex systems.
:    SharpDevelop is a complex IDE. But it costs less memory than Eclipse and
: JBuilder. The memroy cost of .Net program grows more slowly than Java
program.
:
: 3. How to handle intensive memory-comsuming applicaiton.
:    In this place, C# is way better than Java. The embedded unmanged code
gives
: you the C++ memory management power.
:
:
: No free lunch. right? :)
: From my experience, the C# strategy works well so far. At least it persuades
: me.
well,in our case,a superserver costs 45M-55M memory,plus sometimes the server
will create another process for report previewing on the fly which costs 21M
memory.If there are some other companies' .net application running on the same
machine,what would you expect?
:
: 【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: : one of the problem when using .net program is the huge memory usage.I
: remember
: : that even a blank windows form application,it eats up around 7M memory.
: :
:
:

--
God,
give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed,
courage to change the things which should be changed and the wisdom to disti
nguish the one from the other.

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发信人: LodossWar (sleepycat), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 02:03:23 2003) WWW-POST

【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: well,in our case,a superserver costs 45M-55M memory,plus sometimes the
server
: will create another process for report previewing on the fly which costs 21M
: memory.If there are some other companies' .net application running on the
same
: machine,what would you expect?
: :

1. How much is 128M memory for a PC? :)
2. Optimize your algorithm. find out the bottle-neck. If necessary, using
unmaged code for that part to save memory.
3. In a distributed environment, this should be ok. Just provice one server
for your service. The web applicaiton will call your web service.

That's just my thought. Welcome comments. :)


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发信人: magicfat (魔法胖子), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 09:50:12 2003) WWW-POST

【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: well,in our case,a superserver costs 45M-55M memory,plus sometimes the
server
: will create another process for report previewing on the fly which costs 21M
: memory.If there are some other companies' .net application running on the
same
: machine,what would you expect.

If not all of the applications are going to run actively at the same time,
the memory of those idle ones will be swapped out.

Besides, these days "super servers" can have 2G RAM, which can have almost 100
of your report preview processes all in the memory at the same time.
If it actually gets to that point, I suspect it will be your CPU, not memory
that
will become the bottleneck.

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发信人: kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 10:17:58 2003) WWW-POST

【 在 LodossWar (sleepycat) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: : well,in our case,a superserver costs 45M-55M memory,plus sometimes the
: server
: : will create another process for report previewing on the fly which costs
21M
: : memory.If there are some other companies' .net application running on the
: same
: : machine,what would you expect?
: : :
:
: 1. How much is 128M memory for a PC? :)
: 2. Optimize your algorithm. find out the bottle-neck. If necessary, using
: unmaged code for that part to save memory.
actually the superserver is a legacy program(c++) with some new .net add-ons
: 3. In a distributed environment, this should be ok. Just provice one server
: for your service. The web applicaiton will call your web service.
Yes,that's one of the ways to get things done.But for some legacy
programs,it's
2 cumbersome to rewrite the whole things.:)
:
: That's just my thought. Welcome comments. :)
:
:


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give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed,
courage to change the things which should be changed and the wisdom to disti
nguish the one from the other.

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发信人: kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 10:14:02 2003) WWW-POST

【 在 magicfat (魔法胖子) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: : well,in our case,a superserver costs 45M-55M memory,plus sometimes the
: server
: : will create another process for report previewing on the fly which costs
21M
: : memory.If there are some other companies' .net application running on the
: same
: : machine,what would you expect.
:
: If not all of the applications are going to run actively at the same time,
: the memory of those idle ones will be swapped out.
:
: Besides, these days "super servers" can have 2G RAM, which can have almost
100
: of your report preview processes all in the memory at the same time.
You can not ask all the clients to purchase a 2G Ram machine.What you can do
is to optimize your program to fit in the clients' request before your boss
yells at you.:)
BTW,the report engine is only a tiny part of the superserver.This is just an
example here.Actually I encountered the memeory problem when I run a
stress-test of the report engine:Multiple threads generate hundreds of stand
alone report viewer processes simoutaneousely,and,of course you can imagine
what happened.:).But actually it's not a real problem for my system,coz in the
report engine we use the batch mode for previewing.But this just gave me a
thought about the memory usage in .net.
: If it actually gets to that point, I suspect it will be your CPU, not memory
: that
: will become the bottleneck.
:

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God,
give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed,
courage to change the things which should be changed and the wisdom to disti
nguish the one from the other.

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发信人: magicfat (魔法胖子), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 11:01:16 2003) WWW-POST

【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: You can not ask all the clients to purchase a 2G Ram machine.What you can do
: is to optimize your program to fit in the clients' request before your boss
: yells at you.:)

OK, think about it this way.  Either you spend 3 months writing it in C and
come out with 2.1M memory footprint, or you spend 3 weeks in .Net and end up
a 21M footprint.  In which case would you think your boss would more likely be
yelling at you?

Then, would your client rather pay you 100 bucks an hour for that extra 10
weeks
of development time, on top of whatever implicit business loss due to the
delay to
the market, or would they rather just go get 2G memory for a fraction of all
that
money?  8-)

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发信人: LodossWar (sleepycat), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 12:02:29 2003), 站内信件

I don't get it. It's easy to wrap c++ program to provide a web servive.
Just go for ATL Server. I have done that. It gave you good performance.
Why need to rewrite it?
So actually it is the legacy program who costs much memory. Isn't it?
1. For performance tuning, the first thing to check is algorithm. always.
2. Different languages have their performance trap. Some "easy to use" way
   may have serious performance problem. i.e. string in Java.
Just doing some research, I had cut the memory usage of a java program from
more than 200M to half.
My wife's scientific program may cost more than 2G memory if using the strai
ghtfoward way. But we made it
in 2G's scope. hehe, just change algorithm.
So,if you are really serious about the problem. Doing some research on your
algorithm
and the language performance issues.

【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【 在 LodossWar (sleepycat) 的大作中提到: 】
: : server
: 21M
: : same
: : 1. How much is 128M memory for a PC? :)
: : 2. Optimize your algorithm. find out the bottle-neck. If necessary, using
: : unmaged code for that part to save memory.
: actually the superserver is a legacy program(c++) with some new .net add-ons
: : 3. In a distributed environment, this should be ok. Just provice one server
: : for your service. The web applicaiton will call your web service.
: Yes,that's one of the ways to get things done.But for some legacy
: programs,it's
: 2 cumbersome to rewrite the whole things.:)
: : That's just my thought. Welcome comments. :)


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发信人: LodossWar (sleepycat), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 12:11:46 2003), 站内信件

hehe. I have to say. This is not that right.
1. It's hard to persuade clients using this words.
2. Java and C# is not that "efficient" as you said.
   A real professional C++ programmer can achive almost
   the same productivity as Java programmers. But this kind of
   c++ programmer needs long time to train.
so , no free lunch.
If you use a "easy to learn" laguange as java and C#, you can
build a program in 3 weeks, then spend maybe more than 1 month
to do performance tuning.
If you use Java or C#, maybe you need 2 months to develop your program
and 1 week to do performance tuning.
The key points here are:
1. java and C# is popular because they are easy to use and powerful
   enough to do general stuffs.
2. system level knowledge is necessary. For c++ programmer, you have
   to know the details of memory mangement and .... For java and C#,
   you have to know how VM runs and memory mangement. The only differnece
   is your program may not that easy to crash in VM.
3. Performance sometimes is requirement. Finishing a functioning system
   doesn't mean you developed a succesful product. In business world,
   those words like "hardware will solve the problem" doesn't work. :)

【 在 magicfat (魔法胖子) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: : You can not ask all the clients to purchase a 2G Ram machine.What you can do
: : is to optimize your program to fit in the clients' request before your boss
: : yells at you.:)
: OK, think about it this way.  Either you spend 3 months writing it in C and
: come out with 2.1M memory footprint, or you spend 3 weeks in .Net and end up
: a 21M footprint.  In which case would you think your boss would more likely be
: yelling at you?
: Then, would your client rather pay you 100 bucks an hour for that extra 10
: weeks
: of development time, on top of whatever implicit business loss due to the
: delay to
: the market, or would they rather just go get 2G memory for a fraction of all
: that
: money?  8-)


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发信人: LodossWar (sleepycat), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 12:13:43 2003), 站内信件

but you can negotiate with the clients.
1. Optimize your program first.
2. At the same time, ask the saleman to persuage them to buy a 256M memory.
   This is easy because it is "2G".
3. tell clients your system is so complex that their money is really worth.
   hehe, see, cost so much memory. :)

【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【 在 magicfat (魔法胖子) 的大作中提到: 】
: : server
: 21M
: : same
: : If not all of the applications are going to run actively at the same time,
: : the memory of those idle ones will be swapped out.
: : Besides, these days "super servers" can have 2G RAM, which can have almost
: 100
: : of your report preview processes all in the memory at the same time.
: You can not ask all the clients to purchase a 2G Ram machine.What you can do
: is to optimize your program to fit in the clients' request before your boss
: yells at you.:)
: BTW,the report engine is only a tiny part of the superserver.This is just an
: example here.Actually I encountered the memeory problem when I run a
: stress-test of the report engine:Multiple threads generate hundreds of stand
: alone report viewer processes simoutaneousely,and,of course you can imagine
: what happened.:).But actually it's not a real problem for my system,coz in the
: report engine we use the batch mode for previewing.But this just gave me a
: thought about the memory usage in .net.
: : If it actually gets to that point, I suspect it will be your CPU, not memory
: : that
: : will become the bottleneck.


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发信人: magicfat (魔法胖子), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 15:06:54 2003) WWW-POST

【 在 LodossWar (sleepycat) 的大作中提到: 】
: hehe. I have to say. This is not that right.
: 1. It's hard to persuade clients using this words.

Show them the bottom line, and they will be "persuaded". LOL

: 2. Java and C# is not that "efficient" as you said.
:    A real professional C++ programmer can achive almost
:    the same productivity as Java programmers. But this kind of

I would be glad to believe that if you have some statistical data supporting
it.  Besides, I was comparing C to Java/C#.

:    c++ programmer needs long time to train.

And hence more expensive to hire, which adds to the right side of your
"persuasion". 8-)

[snip]
: The key points here are:
: 1. java and C# is popular because they are easy to use and powerful
:    enough to do general stuffs.
: 2. system level knowledge is necessary. For c++ programmer, you have
:    to know the details of memory mangement and .... For java and C#,
:    you have to know how VM runs and memory mangement. The only differnece
:    is your program may not that easy to crash in VM.

No... you don't have to know how the VM works or how memory management works
to
write good quality Java programs.  In fact, sometimes I think overly focusing
on the details can hurt the overall quality of your program, because it
distracts you from working on the real significant aspects - your algorithm,
your design, and your metrics quality.

: 3. Performance sometimes is requirement. Finishing a functioning system
:    doesn't mean you developed a succesful product. In business world,
:    those words like "hardware will solve the problem" doesn't work. :)

It doesn't work?  How do you think Java gained its popularity, and C# is
gaining its?
LOL, come to think of it, now I realize that the "hardware takes care of it"
approach actually works a lot better in the business world than in the
academic one.


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发信人: st (月光下老虎慢慢吃人), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 15:07:16 2003), 站内信件

or fire people who cant do it in C in 3 weeks, and get a better programmer.

【 在 magicfat (魔法胖子) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: : You can not ask all the clients to purchase a 2G Ram machine.What you can do
: : is to optimize your program to fit in the clients' request before your boss
: : yells at you.:)
: OK, think about it this way.  Either you spend 3 months writing it in C and
: come out with 2.1M memory footprint, or you spend 3 weeks in .Net and end up
: a 21M footprint.  In which case would you think your boss would more likely be
: yelling at you?
: Then, would your client rather pay you 100 bucks an hour for that extra 10
: weeks
: of development time, on top of whatever implicit business loss due to the
: delay to
: the market, or would they rather just go get 2G memory for a fraction of all
: that
: money?  8-)


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发信人: kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 15:20:16 2003) WWW-POST

oops,java gained its popularity of what?!
【 在 magicfat (魔法胖子) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【 在 LodossWar (sleepycat) 的大作中提到: 】
: : hehe. I have to say. This is not that right.
: : 1. It's hard to persuade clients using this words.
:
: Show them the bottom line, and they will be "persuaded". LOL
:
: : 2. Java and C# is not that "efficient" as you said.
: :    A real professional C++ programmer can achive almost
: :    the same productivity as Java programmers. But this kind of
:
: I would be glad to believe that if you have some statistical data supporting
: it.  Besides, I was comparing C to Java/C#.
:
: :    c++ programmer needs long time to train.
:
: And hence more expensive to hire, which adds to the right side of your
: "persuasion". 8-)
:
: [snip]
: : The key points here are:
: : 1. java and C# is popular because they are easy to use and powerful
: :    enough to do general stuffs.
: : 2. system level knowledge is necessary. For c++ programmer, you have
: :    to know the details of memory mangement and .... For java and C#,
: :    you have to know how VM runs and memory mangement. The only differnece
: :    is your program may not that easy to crash in VM.
:
: No... you don't have to know how the VM works or how memory management works
: to
: write good quality Java programs.  In fact, sometimes I think overly
focusing
: on the details can hurt the overall quality of your program, because it
: distracts you from working on the real significant aspects - your algorithm,
: your design, and your metrics quality.
:
: : 3. Performance sometimes is requirement. Finishing a functioning system
: :    doesn't mean you developed a succesful product. In business world,
: :    those words like "hardware will solve the problem" doesn't work. :)
:
: It doesn't work?  How do you think Java gained its popularity, and C# is
: gaining its?
: LOL, come to think of it, now I realize that the "hardware takes care of it"
: approach actually works a lot better in the business world than in the
: academic one.
:
:

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发信人: magicfat (魔法胖子), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 15:27:20 2003) WWW-POST

【 在 st (月光下老虎慢慢吃人) 的大作中提到: 】
: or fire people who cant do it in C in 3 weeks, and get a better programmer.

I sure wouldn't want to work for a boss that would do that.  Do you?

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发信人: st (月光下老虎慢慢吃人), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 15:28:27 2003), 站内信件

you are fired, so you didnot get to choose. I am okay, that should be a
capable boss. :D

【 在 magicfat (魔法胖子) 的大作中提到: 】
: 标  题: Re: memory usage
: 发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 15:27:20 2003) WWW-POST
:
: 【 在 st (月光下老虎慢慢吃人) 的大作中提到: 】
: : or fire people who cant do it in C in 3 weeks, and get a better programmer.
:
: I sure wouldn't want to work for a boss that would do that.  Do you?
:
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: 他号令便号令好了,又何必安静?
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发信人: magicfat (魔法胖子), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 15:28:50 2003) WWW-POST

【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: oops,java gained its popularity of what?!

My answer would have been much longer were this on some other board.
But since this is DotNet, this would do:
"Open - your - eyes!"   8-)

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发信人: st (月光下老虎慢慢吃人), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 15:29:40 2003), 站内信件

I dont see any answer here, just some java fans yelling.

【 在 magicfat (魔法胖子) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【 在 kongzi (鸡龟骨滚羹) 的大作中提到: 】
: : oops,java gained its popularity of what?!
: My answer would have been much longer were this on some other board.
: But since this is DotNet, this would do:
: "Open - your - eyes!"   8-)


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小松鼠觉得这个问法蛮好玩的,说“你是第一次吃动物吗?”小老虎更不好意思了,说,
“是的。。。妈妈不在家了。。。”“那。。你以前吃什么呢?”小松鼠又好奇的问到。
“……”“什么?说大声点。。。我听不到”“吃奶!”说完,小老虎的脸更红更红了。
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发信人: magicfat (魔法胖子), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 15:33:47 2003) WWW-POST

【 在 st (月光下老虎慢慢吃人) 的大作中提到: 】
: I dont see any answer here, just some java fans yelling.

What else do you expect?  This is DotNet.  All we can do is screaming.
Besides, did you see any point in "java gained its popularity of what" to
begin with?  8-/


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发信人: st (月光下老虎慢慢吃人), 信区: DotNet
标  题: Re: memory usage
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Oct 21 15:41:18 2003), 站内信件

he just laughed at some java fan, which is very normal. fans are not
reasonable people any way, agree?

【 在 magicfat (魔法胖子) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【 在 st (月光下老虎慢慢吃人) 的大作中提到: 】
: : I dont see any answer here, just some java fans yelling.
: What else do you expect?  This is DotNet.  All we can do is screaming.
: Besides, did you see any point in "java gained its popularity of what" to
: begin with?  8-/


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一只小老虎慢慢的走了过来。红着脸,问小松鼠说,“请问。。。我可以吃你吗?”
小松鼠觉得这个问法蛮好玩的,说“你是第一次吃动物吗?”小老虎更不好意思了,说,
“是的。。。妈妈不在家了。。。”“那。。你以前吃什么呢?”小松鼠又好奇的问到。
“……”“什么?说大声点。。。我听不到”“吃奶!”说完,小老虎的脸更红更红了。
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